found: Connor, Andrew George. Connorhistory.com blog, John and Marjory Moffat Sands, 2018, viewed March 5, 2019:page 2 (Robert Sands (1782-1855), father of John Sands; John Sands was born in Sandhurst, Berkshire, England on 11 November 1818, youngest of the seven children of Robert Sands (1782-1855) and his wife Hannah, née Giblett (1777-1859); Robert Sands was the third generation of a family of engravers; Robert's sons James Sand, Robert Sands junior and John Sands were also apprenticed to be engravers, and continued that tradition) page 3 (as of census night, 6 June 1841, the family of Robert and Hannah were living at 9 Southampton Terrace, St Mary Islington, Middlesex; by that time, John Sands (22) had completed his apprenticeship and was recognised as an "engraver"; his elder brothers James (35) and Robert junior (33) had married, left home and become engravers in their own right; Robert Sands and Sons, London; son John emigrated to Sydney, New South Wales, with his sister Maria, in 1841, with support of the family to start a business venture there) page 4 (Robert Sands junior died in 1845; by 1850, Robert Sands senior and eldest son James were running the London end of business)